what size for a girls 14/16 (not years but size)? Christmas gift for niece so can't take her measurements

My daughter is a slender 11 year old. I bought her the 12-13 years, and it’s a nice fit. Her typical size is a 12 top (or 14 if we want loose and longer fit). I’d guess that the 14-15 year would be appropriate, and if it’s big, she can grow into it. It’s a lovely weight and feel.

My granddaughter is a size 5. Not sure what size to order?

I ordered one size bigger for my daughter, it was still too small and I ended up returning it. Ordering 2 or 3 size larger than the actual size might help

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